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		<title>By: punter69</title>
		<link>http://punter69.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/the-argument-has-ended/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>punter69</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, so Yvette and Gregory Carling are one and the same people.  For the very few who read this blog, please take a look at this website.  http://www.grumpyoldsod.com/wanker%20of%20the%20week.asp

It has a little profile on Gregory aka Yvette.  Makes fun reading, alot better written than I ever could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, so Yvette and Gregory Carling are one and the same people.  For the very few who read this blog, please take a look at this website.  <a href="http://www.grumpyoldsod.com/wanker%20of%20the%20week.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.grumpyoldsod.com/wanker%20of%20the%20week.asp</a></p>
<p>It has a little profile on Gregory aka Yvette.  Makes fun reading, alot better written than I ever could.</p>
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		<title>By: Yvette</title>
		<link>http://punter69.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/the-argument-has-ended/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Yvette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You were given a completely honest insight as to why the IUSW were on a guaranteed hiding to nothing. 

I suggest you do a FOI for records and notes relating to the State of Illinois, and British male teaches &amp; schoolgirls which were addressed to Jacqui Smith MP when she was schools minister. From lIllinois as it would be.

There are no neo-cons, or religion, or anything else going on there.  

Just one US state wondering what on earth was going on in British schools and why the Brits simply couldn&#039;t arrest a few teachers to sort out  a global sex grooming epidemic.

Teachers are, really, honest to goodness, the reason the mini-brothel plans were reversed.

I&#039;m not joshing, that&#039;s a completely legit heads-up

I as a person, might be in bed with neo-cons, that&#039;s a separate thing, the democrats in Chicago also asked the G/TIP people what was known, about Brit teachers.

They were told British teachers are  a bigger problem than the pimps.

Which is another totally legit heads-up.

Yvette</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You were given a completely honest insight as to why the IUSW were on a guaranteed hiding to nothing. </p>
<p>I suggest you do a FOI for records and notes relating to the State of Illinois, and British male teaches &amp; schoolgirls which were addressed to Jacqui Smith MP when she was schools minister. From lIllinois as it would be.</p>
<p>There are no neo-cons, or religion, or anything else going on there.  </p>
<p>Just one US state wondering what on earth was going on in British schools and why the Brits simply couldn&#8217;t arrest a few teachers to sort out  a global sex grooming epidemic.</p>
<p>Teachers are, really, honest to goodness, the reason the mini-brothel plans were reversed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not joshing, that&#8217;s a completely legit heads-up</p>
<p>I as a person, might be in bed with neo-cons, that&#8217;s a separate thing, the democrats in Chicago also asked the G/TIP people what was known, about Brit teachers.</p>
<p>They were told British teachers are  a bigger problem than the pimps.</p>
<p>Which is another totally legit heads-up.</p>
<p>Yvette</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Parry</title>
		<link>http://punter69.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/the-argument-has-ended/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen Parry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To give Cath her due, she has been known to engage in direct communications with sex workers; those who comment on her Cif pieces, at least, &amp; has admitted when she has been wrong in accusing them of being pimps or men pretending to be sex workers in the light of this.

However, the summary of the comments to the Blog items, both at LC &amp; Shiraz; apart from Gregory Carlin/Sudeten/Yvette Doll&#039;s nonsensical contributions, is that, as usual, anyone who attempts to disagree with the abolitionist stance is automatically assigned a label that is laden with emotive images, in an attempt to discredit them in the eyes of other readers (BTW, Bindel did contribute a comment to one of the many blogs, which consisted of accusing a sex worker&#039;s rights campaigner of being a pimp. About sums up her debating style.)

Likewise, organisations which campaign for sex worrker&#039;s rights, academics &amp; ouitreach programs (such as UKNSWP) must be discredited by the abolitionists; Bindel has gone so far as to claim that ECP are a bunch of &quot;mad Trots&quot; acting as a &quot;front for the CIA&quot;, which is sort of contradictory, as these are the very people most liekly to bring the lies that are being used to promote Jacqui Smith&#039;s proposed legislation to the notice of the media &amp;, thereby, a wider audience.

Such attacks also have the benefit, for them, of diverting attention from those issues that might just prove to bee too awkward for them to discuss; similar to the way that discussions of how the provision of safe working conditions &amp; employment rights to sex workers should be the priority are always diverted into a debate about how this would normalise the industry; much use of the &quot;Ick Factor&quot; being employed in the process - i.e. &quot;Would you allow your son or daughter to do this?&quot;

The main problem is that we are dealing with blinkered ideologues who are quite unwilling to allow facts to get in the way of their self-appointed missions to think for others &amp; save them, whether they want saving or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To give Cath her due, she has been known to engage in direct communications with sex workers; those who comment on her Cif pieces, at least, &amp; has admitted when she has been wrong in accusing them of being pimps or men pretending to be sex workers in the light of this.</p>
<p>However, the summary of the comments to the Blog items, both at LC &amp; Shiraz; apart from Gregory Carlin/Sudeten/Yvette Doll&#8217;s nonsensical contributions, is that, as usual, anyone who attempts to disagree with the abolitionist stance is automatically assigned a label that is laden with emotive images, in an attempt to discredit them in the eyes of other readers (BTW, Bindel did contribute a comment to one of the many blogs, which consisted of accusing a sex worker&#8217;s rights campaigner of being a pimp. About sums up her debating style.)</p>
<p>Likewise, organisations which campaign for sex worrker&#8217;s rights, academics &amp; ouitreach programs (such as UKNSWP) must be discredited by the abolitionists; Bindel has gone so far as to claim that ECP are a bunch of &#8220;mad Trots&#8221; acting as a &#8220;front for the CIA&#8221;, which is sort of contradictory, as these are the very people most liekly to bring the lies that are being used to promote Jacqui Smith&#8217;s proposed legislation to the notice of the media &amp;, thereby, a wider audience.</p>
<p>Such attacks also have the benefit, for them, of diverting attention from those issues that might just prove to bee too awkward for them to discuss; similar to the way that discussions of how the provision of safe working conditions &amp; employment rights to sex workers should be the priority are always diverted into a debate about how this would normalise the industry; much use of the &#8220;Ick Factor&#8221; being employed in the process &#8211; i.e. &#8220;Would you allow your son or daughter to do this?&#8221;</p>
<p>The main problem is that we are dealing with blinkered ideologues who are quite unwilling to allow facts to get in the way of their self-appointed missions to think for others &amp; save them, whether they want saving or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Renegade Evolution</title>
		<link>http://punter69.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/the-argument-has-ended/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Renegade Evolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and no matter what anyone says, those folk won&#039;t ever change their minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and no matter what anyone says, those folk won&#8217;t ever change their minds.</p>
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